demiurge wiccan feats

Magic/Reality-Warping: Billy's main power is the superhuman ability to manipulate reality at will, enabling him to tap into the universe's store of magical energies, which he inherited from his spiritual mother the Scarlet Witch. Sam Wilson and his newly Inverted Avengers shrunk all the gathered heroes down using Pym particles extracted from the Wasp (presumably against her will) and trapped them all in one of Hank Pym's microscopic ant farms, thereby taking care of the "liability". In the report of the system of Basilides,[23] we are told that our world was made by the angels who occupy the lowest heaven; but special mention is made of their chief, who is said to have been the God of the Jews, to have led that people out of the land of Egypt, and to have given them their law. The Demiurge, isolated, did not behold his mother, nor anyone else, and concluded that only he existed, ignorant of the superior levels of reality. He is married to Hulkling. The Ophites held that he and his demons constantly oppose and thwart the human race, as it was on their account the devil was cast down into this world. Hippolytus claims that Simon used a similar description.[30]. On Earth-91172, a world ravaged by the Hulk, Wiccan is a member of the Next Wave of Heroes - the last heroes of earth. Demiurge. Wiccan (real name William "Billy" Kaplan) is a comic book character, a member of the Young Avengers, a team of teenage superheroes in the Marvel Universe. Outside, Magneto arrives, saying that he wants Billy help to locate his daughter. Wiccan's force fields have become progressively stronger through his time in comics. The Young Avengers agreed that in order for reality to stabilize, Iron Lad must return to his own time. The two work out their problems, and their love is able to save the universe. The Valentinian Heracleon[46] interpreted the devil as the principle of evil, that of hyle (matter). In others, including the teaching of Valentinus, the demiurge is simply ignorant or misguided. Dice of the Skrull Kill Krew does the same and he is by all accounts not even particularly powerful. This_Confused_Guy 1 yr. ago This link to Judeo-Christian tradition leads to a further comparison with Satan. pantheism). According to some strains of Gnosticism, the demiurge is malevolent, as it is linked to the material world. However, Master Pandemonium stated that their past was steeped in chaos and tragedy and convinced them that rather than search for who they were in the past, they should embrace who they are now. Hence Demiurge never played any part in it's creation. The second principle is organization in its reflection of the nonsentient force or dynamis, also called the one or the Monad. For other uses, see. So don't act like I'm the one lacking information here. Wiccan hoped that revealing their existence to Wanda would help her regain her sanity and return to the Avengers. A. H. Armstrong identified the so-called "Gnostics" that Plotinus was attacking as Jewish and Pagan, in his introduction to the tract in his translation of the Enneads. Dude The Unkindness negs I can break this down if you want, and I talked too both authors . Not even remotely correct. He should win here. I do believe unkindness best feat was eating the multiverse, Demi Wiccan has ascended the multiverse and time. Am not jumping the gun, am presenting the evidence as is. The law of necessary procession and the eternity of the universe (ch.3). Around the time the two boys are physically 10, they begin to display superpowers, with Tommy having inherited his uncle Pietro's super speed and Billy displaying magical powers similar to the ones used by his mother. As the Demiurge, Wiccan completely eradicated Mother and every threat she had created in Young Avengers #13 by Kieron Gillen and Jamie McKelvie. William was believed to be Malachi, who attacked the Avengers during the Crossing story arc. Wiccan discovered that he and the newest recruit, a youth with super speed by the name of Tommy Shepard, were identical in appearance. Evangeliou, "Plotinus's Anti-Gnostic Polemic and Porphyry's Against the Christians", in Wallis & Bregman, From "Introduction to Against the Gnostics", Plotinus', Armstrong, pp. At full maturity, a Demiurge is stronger than any Nephalem, including one sired by an Arch-angel/demon and can use their unique powers to kill them with ease except not when one is using its true potential. Timaeus describes the Demiurge as unreservedly benevolent, and so it desires a world as good as possible. Something being made from a gods breath is standard prose about creation. The team was split up, running rescue missions, relief missions, and interference across Asgard. What's more likely is that you are in deniable. "For, in sum, a part of their doctrine comes from Plato; all the novelties through which they seek to establish a philosophy of their own have been picked up outside of the truth." The earliest Gnostic sects ascribe the work of creation to angels, some of them using the same passage in Genesis. He seems to be steadily losing ground, until Teddy appears to him. 1012). Having no other choice, Wiccan and the team decide to leave New York. These six, in turn, create another twelve angels "with each one receiving a portion in the heavens". Teleports his teammates who were spread out at the time mid-fight, so he has good accuracy when it comes to teleporting. Fact is Demiurge Wiccan is actually barely universal, as we have seen him when controlled by a villain need like twenty years to destroy a single universe clearly not affecting anything across time or the like in the process. During the events of Dark Reign, Billy and the other Young Avengers encounter another group of superpowered teenagers running around using the name "Young Avengers". Level 3: While Wiccan has the Power of the Demiurge, all of his matches will destroy their row or column. He is currently engaged to Teddy Altman, aka Hulkling. Thomas ended up as the son of the Shepard family while William ended up as the son of the Kaplan's family. I get how powerful wiccan is i really do but LMAO WHAT THE HELL IS HOMEBOI DOING TO THE UNKINDNESS, @yungbaby: Shes the ultimate villain of the DC multiverse, it happened during the future state event. He also is vitally important in Avengers: Children's Crusade (which is more or less an unofficial volume of . The advice from Pandemonium helped Billy, who is sated for now. In this one-shot about the final adventure of the Avengers, Billy Maximoff chose to be a villain, calling himself the Grim Reaper. Unwillingly, Wiccan's spell to bring back Hulkling's mother has brought back the parents of multiple heroes, including Ms. America's. His spellcasting is unique, however. During this battle, Billy revealed his ability to cast spells where he had previously limited himself to lightning projection and flight due to his inexperience. Attack on the Gnostic doctrine of the making of the universe by a fallen soul, and on their despising of the universe and the heavenly bodies (chs. Plotinus criticizes his opponents for "all the novelties through which they seek to establish a philosophy of their own" which, he declares, "have been picked up outside of the truth";[50] they attempt to conceal rather than admit their indebtedness to ancient philosophy, which they have corrupted by their extraneous and misguided embellishments. His brother Tommy, who was a trained sorcerer, assisted the Avengers and the two fought each other until their father the Vision intercepted and destroyed Ultron, ending the battle. Comic Vine users. During this time, Billy attempted to tell his parents that he was a superhero, only to accidentally come out to them. Wiccan's magic is similar to his mother's, the Scarlet Witch. Are they confirmed it or hinted about it? Creates a solid energy construct to allow other people to travel on a platform, He can give other people the power of flight. He has spent time on numerous super hero teams, including the Young Avengers and the New Avengers. Their search took them to various significant locations to the Scarlet Witch, finally ending at the former home that she shared with the Vision. 2. Plato, as the speaker Timaeus, refers to the Demiurge frequently in the Socratic dialogue Timaeus (28a ff. It was in this moment that Osborn called in the big gun. Transforms himself into the Scarlet Witch, Conjures up clothes in order to look like a prison guard, Gives Kid Loki a teenage body, making Loki even stronger, Undoes the Enchantress' transformation spell. Plato's work Timaeus is a philosophical reconciliation of Hesiod's cosmology in his Theogony, syncretically reconciling Hesiod to Homer.[1][2][3]. However, the Super-Skrull tracked them down, revealing Hulkling's mother to be a Skrull (who was charged to raise him on Earth by Hulkling's birth mother, the deceased Skrull Empress Anelle). Billy took to her so well that, later, at a Young Avengers meeting, he vouched for Sylvie. Demiurge. The one also in Immortal Wonder Woman? Wiccan was greatly convinced that their connection to the Scarlet Witch was evident, though Tommy was more skeptical. I made The respect threads , and I'm telling you the unkindness is a problem. Youre trying to use something that yet to be finished or explained. Thus the real Hulkling (disguised as the Super-Skrull) was able to stay on Earth. Level 4: While Wiccan has Mystical Destiny, he will transform into the Demiurge if you have at least 7 AP in all colors. So what he can one day maybe make a universe in how much time and at what cost? Tanks eye beams from Sentry, and comes out unscathed. So destroying a universe is his best actual feat not his worst. Sylvie revealed to them that she was not actually from Asgard, but that she woke up one morning with powers. "Billy Kaplan was a normal high school boy until he discovered his power of Electrokinesis and became one of the heroes he admired. The word demiurge is an English word derived from demiurgus, a Latinised form of the Greek or dmiurgs. [7] This is the God above the Demiurge, and manifests through the actions of the Demiurge. He briefly achieves this form, and is able to view the past, present and future, as well as freely alter the universe. @demiurgekaplan: the entirety of multiversal demi urges feats come from statements about creating the utopia parallel. Wiccan was featured in the HeroClix figure game. Read the scan I posted above. It was other people that had a problem with him. Later, the Neoplatonist Iamblichus changed the role of the "One", effectively altering the role of the Demiurge as second cause or dyad, which was one of the reasons that Iamblichus and his teacher Porphyry came into conflict. Quispel[who?] Hence that did contradict it. Through magic, he is strong enough to clobber Loki. Lol @ "universal" demiurge wiccan. Back at the Avengers Mansion, Billy was eager to begin Sylvie's training, but she seemed more interested in getting closer to Billy, whom she appeared to be attracted to, causing Billy a degree of discomfort. Among these heroes were the Young Avengers. Billy was impressed with the magical capabilities of Sylvie Lushton, aka Enchantress. The ending panel for issue 3 is, Chavez "sister" revealing more people like her and America created by replicating America's mom's experiments. The Young Avengers and the Super-Skrull fled the Kree. 9). Cookie Notice That was in America (2017) which is what youre referring to. Vision confirmed the story of the twins. But until proven otherwise he isn't. As the Demiurge, Billy is destined to "rewrite the laws of magic" in the universe, meaning that he is a being of power on a massive scale. In one of the many dark possible futures shown to Immortus by The Time Keepers; William and Thomas had become tyrannical God-like superhumans who were seen launching a devastating assault on Eternity in an attempt to overthrow him. In refuting the beliefs of the gnostics, Irenaeus stated that "Plato is proved to be more religious than these men, for he allowed that the same God was both just and good, having power over all things, and himself executing judgment. 2023 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. The Gnostics adopted the term demiurge. She returned to her own team, and swore revenge on the Young Avengers. hansfenton123 Not to mention she proves that she can inhibit America's powers by dosing her with a counter serum. During her marriage to the Vision, the Scarlet Witch used her reality-altering powers to create twin boys Willaim and . Of note here is that while Plotinus' student Porphyry names Christianity specifically in Porphyry's own works, and Plotinus is to have been a known associate of the Christian Origen, none of Plotinus' works mention Christ or Christianitywhereas Plotinus specifically addresses his target in the Enneads as the Gnostics. Billy and Teddy began to battle the Wrecking Crew, warning them against disgracing this sacred space. She reassured him that "Everyone has some gift," and advised him that next time he encounter Kessler, not to back down. After they teleported, there was also a huge lightning bolt that staggered the Avengers. Billy and Teddy had been helping out when they came across an Asgardian temple being desecrated and pillaged by the Wrecking Crew. After discovering that Hulkling had been going out as a superhero without his knowledge, he and Wiccan fight over the choice to become superheroes again. In school, he met a tremendous amount of hate and fear because he was different. True Parents. Philo had inferred from the expression "Let us make man" of the Book of Genesis that God had used other beings as assistants in the creation of man, and he explains in this way why man is capable of vice as well as virtue, ascribing the origin of the latter to God, of the former to his helpers in the work of creation.[17]. 257, 382). We dont know if shes telling the truth, so as of now its HAS NOT BEEN recton cause the story hasnt even given a chance to prove if shes telling the truth in the first place. Unhappy about this, Billy uses a location spell to find the team, and the real Young Avengers confront the false ones. Humiliated and defeated, Osborn ordered the remaining members of his team to stand down, simply stating to the YA that, "This never happened." You then who are spiritual should worship neither the creation nor the Craftsman, but the Father of Truth. William "Billy" Kaplan, Wiccan. The Cathars held that the creator of the world, Satanael, had usurped the name of God, but that he had subsequently been unmasked and told that he was not really God."[48]. Shocked and afraid at what he had done, Billy ran back to the Avengers Mansion to talk with the Scarlet Witch but she was nowhere to be found. Undoubtedly, the Wiccan demiurge is very strong (high magic, rewriting of reality on high level and etc.). Here he uses an offensive spell but he doesn't repeat the spell. The character has been depicted as a member of the Young Avengers, a team of teenage superheroes, as well as the Champions. In that series, Wanda and Vision conceive twin sons. I want to know about that, Who would win between this wiccan and Mr Mxyzptlk cause raven is more powerful than him and Perpetua. Nebro creates six angels in addition to the angel Saklas to be his assistants. Thus their understanding of the Demiurge is similarly flawed in comparison to Platos original intentions. And what else has the oh so overhyped Demiurge done? The impossible son of a witch and a synthezoid, Billy Kaplan was always going to be powerful, but Young Avengers - from writer Kieron Gillen and mainstay artist Jamie Mckelvie - revealed that Wiccan is actually the Demiurge, a force of life and magic who, when he comes of age, will redefine the rules of magic and become functionally omnipotent. @killianduclark: Thats not even remotely debunking anything. Loki's hand is revealed, and Billy is locked in battle with Mother. He is an archon with the face of a lion, half flame, and half darkness. The group travels to New York to discuss what they should do, but they are found by Ms. Altman, and defeated. Billy scoffed at her advice and told her maybe if he had powers like her he could. We've seen it done by far lesser characters. When the Scarlet Witch used her powers to recreate the world after the House of M event, she inadvertently recreated both William and Thomas as well. Although a fashioner, the demiurge is not necessarily the same as the creator figure in the monotheistic sense, because the demiurge itself and the material from which the demiurge fashions the universe are both considered consequences of something else. How is it likely that shes not lying when the demiurge is still a thing everywhere else? After a brief engagement, the Dark Avengers and the Masters were all but defeated. The former was dkaios, severely just, the latter agaths, or loving-kind; the former was the "god of this world",[41] the God of the Old Testament, the latter the true God of the New Testament. Iron Lad had used a system he found in the remains of the Vision which helped locate alternative members for the Avengers for the next generation. As "Asgardian" he limited his abilities to that of flight and lightning projection. After a dangerous and adventure-filled trip through the multiverse, the team ventures to Mother's dimension to rescue Teddy. @demiurgekaplan: multiversal demi urge has been debunked, https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/demiurge-wiccan-vs-hom-wanda-vs-white-phoenix-jean-2159484/. Billy and the Young Avengers are the first team to respond to invading Skrulls in New York. As he writes in his commentary on John 4:21. Jeff Kaplan (father) Rebecca Kaplan (mother) two unnamed younger brothers Theodore Altman (fianc) Wiccan has a wide range of superhuman powers derived from an unconfirmed source. There is nothing that suggests that he is universal. Kat Farrell of the Daily Bugle was at the scene, dubbing them the "Young Avengers" and after reporting to J. Jonah Jameson of the Daily Bugle he decided to put Jessica Jones on the assignment of finding out who they were. When his powers first manifested, he nearly killed someone. Not to mention we never get a reason why a chump like Loki would know this when all kinds of greater beings and entities appear to be unaware. Wiccan appears in 645 issues. It is on this account that Moses says, at the creation of man alone that God said, "Let us make man," which expression shows an assumption of other beings to himself as assistants, in order that God, the governor of all things, might have all the blameless intentions and actions of man, when he does right attributed to him; and that his other assistants might bear the imputation of his contrary actions. All realities mean omniverse. The prophecies are ascribed not to the chief but to the other world-making angels. The Young Avengers managed to escape to Billy's household. In a fight with Doctor Doom, both Cassie and Vision are killed. . Forcibly teleports Loki to the Young Avengers, Teleports a car in front of an asteroid so it crashes, Transports Hulkling's "mom" to the 616 from a completely different universe, Locates Bucky Barnes and teleports his teammates to him, Teleports people in close proximity to him. Wiccan, Speed, and Hulkling team up with Xavin and the Runaways to defeat the Super-Skrulls that are sent to assassinate Hulkling. The idea of Demiurge was, however, addressed before Plotinus in the works of Christian writer Justin Martyr who built his understanding of the Demiurge on the works of Numenius.[12]. The work of Plotinus and other later Platonists in the 3rd century AD to further clarify the Demiurge is known as Neoplatonism. At first, it was presumed that Billy was just an electrokinetic mutant with strong sorcery abilities. Coat of Arms refused to leave her team, but Enchantress graciously accepted. In the Nag Hammadi text On the Origin of the World, the three sons of Yaldabaoth are listed as Yao, Eloai, and Astaphaios.[31]. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. With the combined focus of Magneto and Speed, he was able to locate the Scarlet Witch, who was presumably dead. In order to test if his feelings are genuine, the two agree to temporarily break up. 13). 2023 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. Wiccan and Hulkling were surprised to discover their Earth-A counterparts signed up for the Initiative and joined the army without their knowledge. Loki literally says "you're gonna rewrite the laws of magic across all realities". In order to reconcile Aristotelian with Platonian philosophy,[5] Plotinus metaphorically identified the demiurge (or nous) within the pantheon of the Greek Gods as Zeus.[6]. on 01/09/22 With a thought, he puts a group of bad guys in a coma. Also, considering the evidence from the time, Evangeliou thought the definition of the term "Gnostics" was unclear. T. He also has power over all realities and all possible worlds. The true believer in Christ entered into God's kingdom, the unbeliever remained forever the slave of the Demiurge.[28]. Plotinus, along with his teacher Ammonius Saccas, was the founder of Neoplatonism. Acts as a safeguard while the Scarlet Witch and Doom try to access the Earth's Life Force, which is what gave HoM Wanda her powers. During a trap laid by Iron Man and the pro-registration heroes, in which they planned to immediately take out the resistance's teleporters - Cloak & Wiccan - Wiccan was captured and sent to the N-Zone prison for his involvement with the underground Avengers. All matches made by Wiccan will clear their row or column, dealing damage and generating AP. Wiccan can augment his strength through magic. After looking into it, Sam Wilson found that someone with Avengers membership and passcodes had helped the Skull escape. All you do is scream the same thing over and over contradicting yourself. For more information, please see our Theodoret,[25] who here copies Irenaeus, turns this into the plural number "powers", and so Epiphanius of Salamis[26] represents Cerinthus as agreeing with Carpocrates in the doctrine that the world was made by angels. In the arch-dualist ideology of the various Gnostic systems, the material universe is evil, while the non-material world is good. False and melodramatic Gnostic teaching about the cosmic spheres and their influence (ch. ), c.360 BC. As the Demiurge, Wiccan has the power to shape reality to his will. 07:49AM But it is only the name that can be said to be specially Valentinian; the personage intended by it corresponds more or less closely with the Yaldabaoth of the Ophites, the great Archon of Basilides, the Elohim of Justinus, etc. Quispel, Gilles and Van Oort, Johannes (2008), p. 143. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Team Affiliations: Young Avengers, New Avengers/AIM (soon). But Jerusalem represents the creation or the Creator whom the Jews worship. After a possessed Scarlet Witch and Doctor Doom cast the Inversion spell again, the "evil" heroes reverted to their heroic selves, and the trapped Avengers were freed. To Plotinus, the second emanation represents an uncreated second cause (see Pythagoras' Dyad). The Demiurge will rewrite the rules of magic and all the implications of that decision will echo forward and backward across all realities. Depending on the system, they may be considered either uncreated and eternal or the product of some other entity. However, at this point in time, Wiccan doesn't have sufficient control over his powers to fully utilize the Demiurge's powers. The main character refers to the Demiurge as the entity who "fashioned and shaped" the material world. Wiccan ( William " Billy " Kaplan-Altman [1]) is a fictional character appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Here he uses an offensive spell but he doesn't repeat the spell. In the Platonic, Neopythagorean, Middle Platonic, and Neoplatonic schools of philosophy, the demiurge (/ d m i. r d /) is an artisan-like figure responsible for fashioning and maintaining the physical universe.The Gnostics adopted the term demiurge.Although a fashioner, the demiurge is not necessarily the same as the creator figure in the monotheistic sense, because the demiurge . During their time traveling through dimensions, Hulkling becomes worried that Wiccan's powers might be responsible for their relationship, a theory proposed by Loki. Being raised in a normal home in New York with his loving mother, Rebecca Kaplan, father, Jeff Kaplan, and two brothers, Billy had the average problems for a gay teenager. Sometime later, Billy is targeted by the Vridai, a race of shapeshifters expelled from their home during War of the Realms. Kate had new costumes designed for the team, who now operated out of an old abandoned warehouse owned by her family. Prodigy contacts the younger members of the X-Men at the Jean Grey School, and word gets around quickly. It is eventually revealed by Agatha Harkness that Billy and Tommy were subconsciously created by Wanda through the use of Chaos Magic, and cannot exist outside of Westview. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. The story isnt finished yet and theres multiple things pertaining her previous origin to even consider this an actual sound recton. Like many other heroes, Wiccan and the Young Avengers were granted amnesty following the conclusion of Civil War. Wiccan and the others were eventually rescued by their teammates and continued avoiding registration. . [28], In creating this world out of Chaos the Demiurge was unconsciously influenced for good; and the universe, to the surprise even of its Maker, became almost perfect. They are rescued by Noh-Varr and Kate Bishop, and the team flees to Central Park in order to avoid bringing too many people into the spell. But the devil, as being a spirit of wickedness, is able to recognise the higher spiritual world, of which his maker the Demiurge, who is only animal, has no real knowledge. He and Teddy decided to work with her, and took her out on a training mission against Hydra squadrons. John D. Turner, professor of religious studies at the University of Nebraska, and famed translator and editor of the Nag Hammadi library, stated[55] that the text Plotinus and his students read was Sethian Gnosticism, which predates Christianity. @j2111: Yeah, I've seen all that before. @stahlflamme: is this demiurge( wiccan) isn't the same old demiurge? He avoided Kessler at all costs until one day he saw Kessler had found a new victim. He recognizes that the Scarlet Witch may not be ready to be found and feels that he is happy enough with his present life. The battle culminated with Iron Lad killing Kang which altered the past and present. It's not fair. 13:29 CJ Mars - K.D.D. The philosophical usage and the proper noun derive from Plato's Timaeus, written c.360 BC, where the demiurge is presented as the creator of the universe. Tanks eye beams from Sentry, and comes out unscathed. He apparently could not save it from breaking apart without some ladies croaking so how powerful does that make him? The Monad emanated the demiurge or Nous (consciousness) from its "indeterminate" vitality due to the monad being so abundant that it overflowed back onto itself, causing self-reflection. [44] According to one variant of the Valentinian system, the Demiurge is also the maker, out of the appropriate substance, of an order of spiritual beings, the devil, the prince of this world, and his angels. The Demiurge who created the elder gods is not even the same entity, as the writer who came up with this nonsense for Wiccan confirmed, the great old ones that pic talks about appear to be the many-angled-ones, who are not even the same as earths elder gods created by the demiurge and again get over the fact that it shows him with comic panels, that has happened with lesser characters, what he actually does in that scan is wipe out one being from another dimension mostly powered by Billys standard powers and transport a bunch of fodder back through the portal they were right next to. The writers confirmed Raven's level of power on Twitter when I asked them! Eventually he is to become the Demiurge, a being that will change the very fundamentals of magic in the past and the future. The Demiurge belongs to the second kind, as he was the offspring of a union of Achamoth with matter. The Demiurge, having received a portion of power from his mother, sets about a work of creation in unconscious imitation of the superior Pleromatic realm: He frames the seven heavens, as well as all material and animal things, according to forms furnished by his mother; working, however, blindly and ignorant even of the existence of the mother who is the source of all his energy.

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